england is depressing and full of chavs
I always strive to do better. We've left again. Thank you for posting this. Say anything uncomfortable, let's scream 'racist.' This means that you pay for parking everywhere, house prices goes up and MORE IMPORTANTLY, access to nature is RESTRICTED. I was always welcomed as an American, many years ago. :). We need to infuse more people with love and courage, for everyone to truly follow their dreams and live life to the full potential. we loved what we saw but the thing is that i feel Its not safe for us right know and Its messy with all this brexit thing. It's proven that immigration is a totally positive thing for a country, and historically immigrants have contributed FAR more than they have received. I look forward to meeting some older people living abroad who maybe, indeed, kept their wits. So the big thing I'm thinking about is with the meteoric rise or location independent working opportunities over the last 5 to 10 years and the growing unattractiveness of British society what kind of impact is this going to have on the skills based economy of Britain over the next 10 to 20 years? Wish us luck. And she hates the Rain (by the way the weather in the UK is as she would know if she had paid attention unpredictable ,,that means it may rain for periods and then suddenly be sunny for long stretches too ) . Iceland is meant to be a very expensive place to live but in Reykjavik I worked 30 hours a week in a minimum wage job, payed my rent, bills, transport and food and still had more than half of my wages left over! You wont find any other country that can joke about itself like the Brits. We just moved to Budapest for a bit to try and mix things up a bit. I have never lived in UK. Wasn't uni education free at one point? We've also found that while Mark (who has a british passport) breezes through various application processes for banks etc, I (with a Latvian passport) struggle much, much harder to get approved. Sometimes foreigners dont understand this and confuse our ambition and drive with anger. What is even sadder is that we (although both British) felt the effects of this. What an awesome post! I do agree that Brexit is a good thing because it will force Europe to grow and be better in business and improve their own cities and cooperation without a tick such as England. I'm glad you had the chance to go for a brighter future abroad. Honestly though, what do we have to do and who do we have to vote for to get these unwanted immigrants and their allies the hell out of our land? I think the part which shocked me the most was how friendly everyone seemed, how customer-oriented the service was tailored and the sheer amount of prospects anyone could benefit from. I didn't read the whole thing - but as someone who was born here 42 years ago, and regularly goes abroad to escape when everything gets 'too british', I have just returned from a 2 month stint in New York, and I'm finding it really difficult to adjust to the country again. Sure, the in the average pub food isnt so amazing here. Can you imagine that? there are times I just break down in tears thinking about how screwed I really am and I am not a dual national so I cannot leave the United Kingdom any time soon even though I desperately want to leave. UK is my dream after watching Harry Potter movies (call me silly or what), and then this trip just ruined it. There weren't any. Absolutely nobody wants to be english. London is the 6th Most Michelin Starred city in the world, higher than Hong Kong or Barcelona. However, the term, 'chav' is quite specific. We need visionaries such as Tony Benn. The social services cannot cope with a high population of low-paid people, British and immigrant. There are so many rolling hills, empty, kept for a handful of sheep. James, why are you in Germany if you hate the EU so much? Too much traffic, too much alcohol and too much rain. This results in you learning to cook a variety of world dishes. Sadly, the internet is full of these instances so there isn't much point me going through them. The quality of public and everyday services (telecoms and banking customer services) is poor and overloaded. Britain is a small island and we value our green space, which has been eroded over the years through over development. You know why? Not to say travel in the UK was so expensive, not to mention living there. I am so glad I left that world. A small number of people are racist, the rest are stupid and selfish. See how you feel, see if you like it or not. Because why would they?! P.S Stacy/Stacey could be both spellings. Thank you so much for your heartfelt message. There are a lot of good things about this island. The one that had the vote or the ones that didnt get the chance? [23] Some argue that it amounts to simple snobbery and elitism. Wow Cory! I see that you have just joined this forum and reading your answers you seem to be from the UK. I'd rather stay here in Lisbon. After the Brexit vote, people started attacking immigrants, and even immigrant looking Brits. The bank need to ensure that the account is not been used for proceeds from crime or they can face heavy fines, this obviously takes more verification for foreign nationals. We're spending 2017 living out of bags - currently in Portugal, soon heading to Morocco and Albania, the maybe Italy before SE Asia. Unless you share your accommodation, you are extremely rich or live in a partnership with someone, you can't essentially live in London. And dozens of other things if you bothered to look it up, which you aren't. I had lived in New York and Sydney before, so I know big cities but I have NEVER in my life felt so unwelcome, unsafe, treated badly, alone, and unhappy as I have been in the UK. So what the fuck are you on about? Since we are talking about culture, I must touch base on the food. There is a lot of incentive for young entrepreneurs to start a new business here and we took full advantage of this. There was a culture years ago and no denying that there are some very creative people that have come from England. It gets to you when you realise you can't buy t-shirts because, in reality, you need sweaters, thermals and raincoats. You do not need an address in the UK for yourself. I think he'd be interested in staying if Scotland becomes independent. I am now 51 and after 19 years as a teacher have the last few years become fed up of the British and my way of life. Any advice is really welcomed Is there an article of apology that I have missed? I've been an expat but tbh happy to call myself immigrant too (as I once was to Britain as a 2yr old!). This is not to say that England (or the rest of the UK) is not a good place to live. A passport country that doesn't accept me the way I am due to my ethnic heritage, global upbringing, and different cultural views. Like yourself I came to Britain with the desire to live in a culture of educated gentlemen and a refined society but that is most definitely in the past and the current UK is a world's difference from it. [10], Response to the stereotype has ranged from amusement to criticism, with some saying that it is a new manifestation of classism. I could not understand how you could be surrounded by millions of people yet feel so lonely. But there's no garden without weeds, right? Being English is a privilege, the UK is a good country and one of the best in the world. However, it is shocking to still hear people moaning about immigrants coming to Britain for the sake of benefits, whereby it is the vast majority of immigrants who pay the most taxes. Hi! What we're seeing now is a massive difference in the scale and effectiveness of these campaigns thanks to the pervasive nature of internet data mining and the use of techniques in machine learning to spot trends and correlations, coupled with lessons from the field of behaviourism, to weaponise the information. I don't know anymore. Oblivious as I was at the beginning, I soon realised that I was somehow treated differently than my fellow British friends. -Cuisine- LOL. . It's interesting. Their son is married to an expat German met at work, so globalising at a very fast rate. I still remember wanting to go from Bristol to London and prices being close to 150 for a return ticket. I know the English think they are similar to Australians but how many people (pom ping-pongs, they're called) come back from Australia because they are UNWANTED? Margaret Thatcher's legacy lives on. My eyes *roll* when White EU Nationals scream racism when British people call them out for treating their country like a hotel (with many paying hostel rates). It gets to you when you can't enjoy the pub's beer garden during summer. Ever since I lived in mainland Europe (and you know, happy EU countries) we bought seasonal clothes and enjoyed 4 seasons. They have Netflix, the internet, consumerism, vacations abroad etc just as we do. Adopted countries I've lived in were always a ticking reminder that I don't belong and that I'm just a temporary alien working or studying there for a limited time. Ive been to India, and well to be honest its also a shithole to quote you! You'll find that these places are a run down, uncared for mess many thanks to previous govenments who actually ignore the North and instead focus only on London. You see, I actually love the pace in London. That is what Brexit is all about: fighting back against this invasion. James, how much did university education cost before 2010? The living quality and standards are just so much better in most other countries I have lived in (Ireland included) that I lost my willingness to try and live here. Brexit will force the country to develop the regions and become less dependent on London, which in turn will reduce the pressure on housing in the South-East. Not for Muslims it isn't. As for the food, we have a huge mashup of all world culture based cuisine, as well as excellent cuisine of our own. Nonetheless, the dark side usually has cookies :), I can imagine you want to escape the rain. What a load of crap. You made us see clearer and feel empowered on our next move. I have noticed a trend of Italian immigrants on this thread but I wanted to clarify that of course you had no bad experiences because it is not Italians that British people have an issue with. I'm 30, resident of south East Northumberland in my childhood and then Newcastle as an adult, and have known the term Charver for as long as I can remember. This was mainly because we loved and believed in Tony Benn. 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Try to help your community and form connections because it's the only way to fight the bad. Nobody is going to vote "leave" and nobody is going to vote for "Trump". -Weather- No comments needed here. We British are trying to adapt to the new situation, nearly as much as the immigrants are. The nationalistic movement in the western world is unacceptable and it is far too easy for politicians to get away with pointing the finger at easy scapegoats while they fuel their own selfish agenda with taxpayer money. You chose to live in the North, where it is colder and wetter. It is used in envy by the lily livered, privileged, pale, besuited bank clerk who sees people dressed up to the nines and going to the West End." It's no. People speak various languages. Visiting countries to escape reality and feel comfortable in my own skin but is always a slap in the face to reality going through immigration. This was not the intention of this article, to make people afraid or to deter them from moving to the UK. I believe it is a feature of geography. I know exactly how you feel. Reflecting back, much of the racism I experienced and felt was in the media: TV and especially Press. It's fab that you can learn so much because we have open borders. I dont think British food even begins to compare, and I actually like some British food. So, the tribalism, is everywhere in the world and the UK is still one of the most open and tolerant countries in the world. Don't confuse friendliness with openness. I moved back from the UK to India (which is where I am from) 6 years ago after living there for over 10 years. The non-whites you do have in YOUR government are actively working against their own people's interests (Patel and Sunak come to mind) and they are highly xenophobic. And everything about th weatheryes, yes, a thousand times yes haha. I don't know where I'm going with this, so will leave it there. To further reassure myself that my English level was adequate enough for me to get a job, I went to University and took a language exam. I grew up in the 1980s and had real racist abuse (P*** word etc).However, for every racist, there was *always* 4-5 kids, adults etc berating them and defending me. It makes me sad to read this. Though it's not where my heart is. Countries like Japan are very friendly to tourists, but they would never let foreigners rise to a high level in politics or business. Thank you, Cory, for this honest and heartfelt review of your time living in the UK. Because I think its going to be quite a negative one and to be honest that we have had our time in the premiere league and unfortunately we relegated out selves with an own goal, in classic British style! I'm currently temporarily living in the UK (my boyfriend is English) and I feel you! It was also the uneducated, the "lower class" if you will (I can say that because on paper that's me haha). I'm lucky as I have both a New Zealand and UK passport so doors are always open to me. We are all different and I hope that what didn't work for me, will be excellent for you. Its nice to be able to relate to someone once in a while, and for that, Im eternally greatful. But I can assure you, we love our life in the North and we are seriously considering going further up, to Scotland. 3) Live somewhere else where you can actually LIVE and not simply EXIST. As a British Citizen, I found myself sadly agreeing with so much of what you addressed. There is still pretty much an 'open door' on immigration and there are no/low standards. You have NO IDEA that you have written exactly what I feel. If I would move, it would be to Barcelona. Dear Rhiannon, thank you for your comment. Cory, this was a brave and honest article, and it's good that there are brave people willing to stand up for human rights while many hide and do nothing. I hope you find your reality somewhere and leave us racist, poor, thick bits to struggle on without you. Getting used to life in the UK takes some time for sure. In a few years, it will probably be legal to self-identify as as a cat or dog. I dont feel like Im at home here. First, the British are NOT RACIST. Will I ever go back to the UK? I guess Einstein was right after all..only two things are infiniteyou know the saying As we were already British citizens, we too participate in the vote and yes, we voted "stay" in case you were wondering. I wrote an article about a similar topic a month ago. Could it be because England is not a good place to live? It is terrorism free, it has lower cost of living and phenomenal weather. The UK welcomed 625,000 immigrants to the last year, even after Brexit, and more than any other EU nation. Sorry to hear they treated you like shit for being a foreigner in the U.K, yet sadly, it doesnt surprise me. In saying all the above and I agree with what I've written my family and I chose to.leave the uk to give our children a better life. Switzerland recently voted to restrict Islamic mosques. But at least I can say that I chose the ticket that the racist people didn't choose! Were not all like that though! Brexit will cost the UK so much money and create a huge division. I know I am not perfect, but I am trying hard to become better at it. How's that logical? Romania is a beautiful country. "What British culture?" As a former UK resident, I understand your position. Her parents are aging much better than their UK siblings too, and are cheerier. I gave it to my manager and he just read his name at the top. [citation needed] They have been described as adopting "black culture". The Oxford English Dictionary defines "chav" as a "young person from the working class, usually without a high level of education." In 2004, it was announced as the Oxford Languages "Word of the Year" and entered the mainstream, appearing in documentaries and television shows. Hi Cory, I found your blog after the comment you left on my post about the struggles of living in England this post sums up so many of my feelings about the UK and how difficult it can be to live here as an immigrant. Good luck to you! In 2013 linguist David Crystal said on BBC Learning English: People talk about "chav behaviour" or "chav insults" and that sort of thing. Britain is awful for people born British too x. Whilst I agree with 90% of this article I dont believe that the.majority of people in Britain are racist. Something has happened here, and its not a good thing. Of course, many people want to be English, that's why they come here. This obviously all falls in line with the class society and with the fact that this is a tresure island for rentiers. It's now a joy going to the restaurant, visiting a local fish and chips and trying new cuisines. I love how you touched on just how expensive it is to travel in the UK too, especially by train (not that they ever run on schedule anyways!). Well TIL, I'm from near Middlesbrough so the term must have not spread that far either that or I'm having a brain fart. A very interesting and substantial read. We both worked hard to build a decent life for ourselves and formed a company. In any case the more I travel the more I learn and I have met so many great people over the years who are prepared to look beyond where one comes from. Im so worried and upset that Im stuck here and it feels like hell nearly every day. No, I haven't experienced any racism here in North Yorkshire. However, now I want to start my own business and freelance, and I definitely see the benefits of the UK in this regard. You should point out it is illegal for Muslims to convert to another religion in the UAE. Every single part of British culture, from the horrible alcoholism, the extreme prices, the CLASSIST caste system, the xenophobia, the crime, the sexual harassment on the streets, the weather, the crazily competitive job market to the dating scene, has been HORRID and I am extremely glad that I left that hellhole 2 weeks ago. Now foreigners or people of colour get beaten up again and regularly so for being who they are. If everyone (irrespective of their country, race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, profession) treated each other with cruelty, then we've pretty much lost our humanity. Thatcher, back in the 80s, spearheaded the trend of heavy reliance on spin and marketing to bolster her politics aims. This helped me feel not so alone <3. Thank you for your message and thank you for taking the time to write back to me. We need more people such as yourself, who realise that indeed, the UK needs immigrants to keep certain parts of the country afloat. Paul. I didnt complain, I didnt dwell, I always gave out positive energy. If they could choose their nationality before they were born, many would like to be English. People are kind and welcoming. I love how this article is so well structured. After having lived in Canada (citizen), USA (Green Card) worked across the world including Australia, Middle East, most countries in the EU visited many other countries, it is my opinion that the UK is crap. Perhaps, the main reason I loved these, was because we were all like-minded young individuals, who dreamt of a true democratic UK which had the Labour party at the core. At first, many were not sure how insulting it really is until it was thrown about to anyone in tracksuits and a cap. The funny thing is we have recently moved to London (it's been 6 months) and we don't seem to be happy at all. There are so many Brits in Spain and Portugal. I have a Polish wife, and we've been increasingly travelling full-time. However it was one of the most dissapointing moves in my life. Most UK people are welcoming so please don't group us all together. my visa expires in few weeks (and will get 2 years extension) and i have decided to make a move to EU country on long term residency visa (probably Portugal or Germany), i absolutely felt gutted to see the direction of things going on, wondering what would be the outcome of this Brexit uncertainty. Like Vinz said below, let THIS sink in too mate. In the UK people say: "Not bad", which is true, it's not bad here, but it's certainly not "awesome" or "great" and we live once, and we are clever international people. I thought this was also quite funny! It's my subjective narrative based on my life story ?! Best Wishes! We were the first country to be industrialised, like most of the world now, and our parliamentary system is followed the free world over. Same for BritainI left the UK because I wanted a better life for myself. Make sense, Carla! It seems like you're a fighter and I get that because you will still fight for a better life ; even if it means moving back to the UK ! I cannot tell you if Romania is better, or the UK, or any other country for that matter. Thank you for being so honest, sharing your feelings, and writing this post. This way people can live everywhere and not depend on the city which is too expensive. I now live full-time in Germany and just enjoy the lifestyle better. I hope you do make the move. Can you even have produce GROWING without sunshine? We have a long way to go before we can live in a borderless world, where are all welcome anywhere and everywhere. I'm always asked whether or not I would move back and honestly, especially as a result of recent events and where things seem to be headed, I wouldn't. Best of luck to you. Then with what happened in UK last summer, it saddens me that those who come and fight the hardest to work and stay in the country are the ones to leave. From Little Britain's Vicky Pollard to the demonization of Jade Goody, media and politicians alike dismiss as feckless, criminalized and ignorant a vast, underprivileged swathe of society whose members have become stereotyped by one, hate-filled word: chavs. You say your family is with you, if nothing else, I hope that offers you the comfort you need to have a decent life. Let's hope things improve for us who are staying, and good luck with your future ! The jet engine you use to travel the world yes, British too.. Agreed! The governments have decided to further cut budgets for education, science and academics. Bradford, Calderdale, Kirklees, Leeds, and Wakefield all contribute to this high level of crime, and violence and sexual offenses are prevalent crimes, with over 100,000 crimes reported each year. something changed. Maybe not your cup of tea. I'm of Indian origin butI was born in the UK and I am thinking of moving to India. [11], It has also been suggested that the term is derived from the name of the town of Chatham, in Kent, but the Oxford English Dictionary thinks this is "probably a later rationalization". We actually left two days before the Brexit vote. You write an entire article telling folk about the benefits of open borders and 'cultural enrichment', and yet you admit that your worst experiences were in the far left and immigrant-infested cities of London and Bristol, and you're happyin the conservative and very English North Yorkshire. For `` Trump '' surrounded by millions of people yet feel so lonely isnt so amazing here yet sadly the. 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